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Postby mSparks » Fri Oct 10, 2003 12:25 am

below is a copy of the thread I have posted on the steam forums, and similar to that which I will be sending to other sites. It is not open for discussion, and unless the general stance changes anytime soon, will be the last word I have said on the matter:

TBH, The more I think about this, the more angry I get, to the point now where I'm just saying sack the lot, its absolutely disgusting behaviour,

This is my good bye thread, I've just deleted the public Valve steam support section from the LTKTBM forum, and, other than to read&reply in this thread, I wont be around anymore.

So whats made me mad? steam? NO, I can deal, I was upset when it was such a mess, but I posted answers to questions when I had the time, even putting a steam support section on my website for helping users that didn't seem to be getting anywhere.

What I find so disgusting is that all this HL2 leak is BEING ALLOWED to be discussed, its a blatent publicity stunt, making sure everyones heard about it.

no doubt, the initial hack was wrong, but it doesn't really bite me that much, no doubt downloading the leak is wrong, but I can forgive it. What I can not forgive is the way this whole fiasco has been handled in the aftermath. HL2 is by no means the first program to be leaked before its release, nor is it the first to be hacked. The reason hardly anyone has heard about it before is that discussing them is neither helpfull nor right, and definately scowled apon.

If someone started discussing child porn, what it involves and who was involved, would you join in the conversation? I certainly hope not, we're all agreed that these files are illegal, although there is obvious dispute as to exactly what was involved, who cares? allowing these discussions to continue is the equivelent to condoning illegal actions, since they do nothing but allow more people to find out the leak exists, and as such stimulate interest.

Unless these and other valve supported areas begin to shut down these conversations, and generally clean up their act, HL2, nor any other vavle product will grace any of my PC's, nor hear a good word from my mouth.
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Postby Slashn64 » Mon Dec 20, 2004 12:22 pm

well i wanna know if you played the finished product of HL2. i have and its INCREDABLE!!! its SO great, the STORY the GRAPHICS. all running smoothly on my X800 pro ^_^
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Postby mSparks » Sun Jan 02, 2005 9:00 pm

Im not able to argue how good/bad it is since I haven't, and probably wont play it.
Games are for entertainment purposes, whilst its great that occasionally some games come along that change your life and take up large quantities of time, its still just entertainment. I find all this similar to the whole nestle behaviour (although nowhere near as damaging and quite a few years ago now, and whilst I've almost forgiven them I still get twinges every time I see that label).
note this was posted a year ago, and a google search for 'half-life 2 demo' reveils today

<a href='http://deadcats.teamut.com/SteamRants.html' target='_blank'>http://deadcats.teamut.com/SteamRants.html</a>

what they have done, are doing, and looks like they will continue todo for the foreseable future is plain Jane wrong, it upsets people, causes unnecessery harm (for what is supposed to be entertainment) all for monatery gain, for me, at least, this equals a company that should not have a good word said about them.
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Postby Slashn64 » Wed Jan 12, 2005 4:54 am

i read that and sum of what those guys had to say is true. but i mean really woopdy doo valve wants to get as much money as they can. they are a bueseniuse, not a "lets give everything away free" job
they wanna make as much money as they can. an i have no clue what sum people are saying bout HL2 being buggy. it took me maby 5 min to authenticate hl2 with my cable connection and bout 45min to DL it. and if u bu it off steam u dont need the CD
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Postby mSparks » Wed Jan 12, 2005 10:59 pm

I think you miss where I come from with this. Too many of my incoming calls come from ppl with PC problems, this is the explanation of why Ill do nothing for valve.

Also, from a game dev pov, if its that problematic to get it to run as an end user, I hate to think how difficult it will be to develope mods for (and with the likes of qfusion we're fast catching up with anything they have to offer). I used to play CS quite regularily, steam stopped that (it might be better now, but from reading that thread it doesn't sound like it), I also had one or two 'personal' mods for HL, overcoming steam became to much like hard work even for them, and I knew that engine quite well.

Dont get me wrong, Im all for the concepts that steam works to improve, core distribution, anti piracy and security are important concepts that need to be considered and improved thoughout the industry. The problem I have however comes from both their behaviour and implimentation. The HL2 source leak was treated as a publicity exercise, and steam under its current structure does more harm to both the end user and developers than good.

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but i mean really woopdy doo valve wants to get as much money as they can. they are a bueseniuse, not a "lets give everything away free" job

But, This has implications beyond steam and valve, Good practice, respect and support are just as, if not more important within business and industry as ensuring cash flow, in fact, I'd say these aspects are more important to an end users decision to purchase a product than distribution and anti-piracy can ever be (and in this case security is more for valve than anyone else).

Everything Ive read and experinced with steam to date indicates this as a platform puts anti-piracy before all else, and time and again it has been proved that this as a business model will not be accepted by clients. I for one am not willing to sacrifice Good practice, respect, support, accessable distribution and security so people who are not my concern can't behave in an illegal manner (which inevitably proves an impossible task), and I refuse to give any indication that this is the kind of behaviour that should either be accepted or be adopted by others.
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Postby Slashn64 » Thu Jan 13, 2005 4:10 pm

well just cause there games arent as good as urs and arent free doesnt mean they arent good :P
but really. i feel that the time they spent on HL2 was well spent. its not the only game to have delays that piss people off. look at doom 3. u have to have ur cd in to play that yet u arent bitching about that. steam might have brought sum bad ideas to the market but it also brought sum good ones 2
for lan centers they just need 1 steam account to get cs on all there computers. when a new game update comes out you dont have to surf the web to download it. just boot up steam and it will update. and when a new game comes out you CAN be a lazy bastard and buy it off steam, not a store. i think valve is doing a pretty good job with steam so far. of course theres gonna be ruff edges, but thats expected. and really, u know all people do with games that dont need a cd to play is install the game and keep the cd key and sell it for profit of their own
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Postby mSparks » Thu Jan 13, 2005 7:01 pm

note the date of the original post

then bear in mind
below is a copy of the thread I have posted on the steam forums, and similar to that which I will be sending to other sites. It is not open for discussion, and unless the general stance changes anytime soon, will be the last word I have said on the matter:


Then remember that their stance never changed, they treated the leak as a publicity excercise.

My position remains the same, for the forseable future, steam is their problem, they decorated their house, let them live in it.
I shall do the same, but as with decor, it can be changed in the future.
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